By Nell London

State lawmakers are debating whether people who are in the country illegally should be allowed to get driver’s licenses. These licenses would be marked with the words “Not Real ID Compliant,”meaning they aren’t valid in the eyes of the federal government. (So you couldn’t, say, use one to board a plane.) Four other states have created these special licenses. One of them is right next door: Utah. There, Republican State Senator Curtis Bramble sponsored the legislation to create Driving Privilege Cards. That was back in 2005.  He joins Ryan Warner from Salt Lake City to talk about how they've been working.